Progeny Notes

Progeny Notes

Auther: Venkat Ramana, India

Volunteer: Maurício Avila, Brazil

One among the various important events which an astrologer is asked to predict in a nativity is begetting children. Whether a native will have children or not depends on the promise in the charts of two people, Husband and Wife, unlike other events which can be predicted with the help of individual chart. There is a lot of literature on this particular aspect and all the books without any hesitation declare that Jupiter is the planet and from 5th house this event can be predicted. A question arises, is it enough if these two aspects are looked at for the purpose of prediction? In my opinion and experience it is not so, there are so many factors required to be kept in mind for this purpose.

Further, certain rules have exceptions without knowing them applying them in predictions may go wrong. For example, as per the principle “Karako Bhava Nashaya” if a planet who is karaka for an event if present in the house which represents the event it spoils the house. To be more elaborate, Jupiter is the karaka for children and 5th house is the house which represents it. If this rule is applied straight away we will fail because, there are so many people in whose charts Jupiter is in 5th house having children. If one thinks that this principle is not correct he is right as he is not aware of how to apply this rule. I came to know how to apply this rule when I read New Techniques Of Prediction I & II written by Late Shri. Sheshadri Iyer (a great astrologer who claims that he has given only those principles in his book which he has used and work without any failure) clarified that this works when the karaka is in the Ascendant of the relevant Divisional chart. Another great astrologer Shri Vadrevu Suryanarayana Murthy after study of more than 50,000 charts comes out with one of the best books in astrology (Jataka Narayaneeyam), has given certain points applying Jaimini principles to study the Child Birth. So on so forth, there are so many scholars who have given some of the points which are required to be kept in our kitty for the purpose of prediction. As student one may not go through many books but as a teacher (student) I felt one should know maximum points on each aspect. With this aim I tried to compile points pertaining to Progeny which are scattered and brought them in the form of notes for use in general. If one follows the following rules/steps for predicting birth of children a fairly good prediction can be given.

 Sputa calculation based test for having children:

 Fundamental analysis that should be done before predicting children

  • Kshetra Sputa is calculated for female natives.

          Kshetra Sputa= Longitude of (Moon+ Mars+ Jupiter) expunged by 360˚.

  • Beeja Sputa is calculated for male natives.

          Beeja Sputa= Longitude of (Sun+ Venus+ Jupiter) expunged by 360˚.

To find the Sputa, the resultant longitude should be counted from 0 degrees of Aries. The location of Sputa in D-9 (Navamsha) must be done ​​according to the degrees obtained. Ex.: If the resultant longitude is 133 degrees counting from Aries in the D-1 chart, the Sputa will be placed in Leo at 13 degrees. As this is the 4th Navamsa in Leo sign, in the D-9 chart Sputa is located in Cancer sign.

Analysis Female Chart:

If Kshetra Sputa falls:

  1. In even sign both in D-1 and D-9, definitely possibility of having progeny can be predicted.
  2. In even sign in D-1 and in odd sign in D-9 or vice-versa then birth of children with difficulty (by following remedial measures) or delay can be predicted.
  3. In odd sign both in D-1 and D-9, there is no possibility of having children.

Analysis Male Chart:

If Beeja Sputa falls:

  1. In odd sign D-1 and D-9, having progeny can be safely predicted.
  2. In odd sign in D-1 and in even Sign in D-9 or vice-versa then birth of children with difficulty (by following remedial measures) or delay can be predicted.
  3. In even sign both in D-1 and D-9, there is no possibility of having children.

 

Santana Tithi

Deduct the longitude of Sun from the longitude of the Moon, multiply the result by 5 and then divide the multiplication result by 12.

Santana Tithi= ((Long of Moon-Long of Sun) ×5) /12.

  • If Santana Tithi falls in the Brighter Half (SP) (when Moon is ahead of Sun in Longitude) then progeny is indicated.
  • Even if Santana Tithi falls in Brighter Half (SP) 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 12th and 14th tithis are not good for progeny and similarly Visti, Chatushpada, Naga and Kinstughna (Shakuni) Karanas are not good for begetting children.
  • If Santana Tithi falls in the Dark Half (1 to 5th lunar day) then children will be born.
  • If Santana Tithi falls on 6th tithi then children will be born but with difficulty and through the help of remedial measures.
  • If Santana Tithi falls between 7th and 10th (KP) tithis children will be born from the second marriage after performing remedial measures.
  • If Santana Tithi falls on 11th tithi of New moon then the chances of having children are remote.

 

General Conditions for birth of children

  • If lord of 5th house from Ascendant, Moon and Jupiter are well placed in good houses and the 5th House is aspected by its Lord and benefic planets or 5th Lord and Ascendant Lord are conjoined in an auspicious house or aspect each other, birth of children is assured.
  • If a malefic planet owns the 5th house and is placed there, the person will have children.
  • If Saturn is in 5th house in Cancer sign, then birth of children is assured.
  • When Sun, Mars or Venus (for Cancer or Pisces Lagna) is similarly placed a son will be born from second wife.
  • If Moon and Jupiter are placed in 5th House (Cancer) for Pisces Lagna, then only a female child is born.
  • If Mercury is in 5th house identical to Cancer then there are remote chances of birth of children.
  • If Sun is placed in 11th house then one son is assured.
  • Many issues are indicated if Jupiter as Lord of 8th house is strong and is aspected by Lagna Lord.
  • Powerful Lord of 2nd house posited in 5th house and aspected by Jupiter indicates birth of children.
  • When the Lord of Navamsha occupied by the lord of 5th house is conjoined or aspected by benefics or when the Lord of 5th house is in benefic Saptavarga or when the Lord of Navamsha occupied by Lord of 5th house is in Ascendant, then birth of children is assured.
  • 1st child should be seen from 5th house, 2nd children from 7th house and 3rd children from 9th
  • In D-9 dispositor of the 5th lord and Jupiter need to be considered. Their position in Rasi chart should be strong.
  • In D-7 Lagna and Lagna Lord need to be considered.

Birth of children indicated in old age:

  • Mars placed in Lagna, Moon in 8th house and Sun in a barren sign (any of the barren signs).
  • Jupiter placed in 8th House, Mars in 12th house, and Saturn in Lagna and a barren sign in the 5th.
  • Malefic planet placed in 5th house from Jupiter, Moon in 12th house and a number of planets in Lagna.
  • Malefic placed in the 5th house and 5th Lord conjoined Jupiter in Kendra (Angle).
  • Mars occupying 5th house identical with Aries, Leo, Scorpio or Pisces and being aspected by Jupiter.

Absence of Progeny:

  • Lord of Ascendant, Lord of Moon sign, Lord of 5th house, Lord of 7th house and Jupiter are weak.
  • Lord of Ascendant, Lord of Moon sign, Lord of 7th house, 5th House and Jupiter are posited in 6th, 8th and 12th
  • The 5th house is occupied or aspected by malefic planet.
  • Sun is placed in odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) and Moon in even Navamsha (Virgo/Capricorn) with mutual aspect in D-1 chart.
  • Saturn is placed in even Navamsha (Virgo/Capricorn) and Mercury in odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) with mutual aspect in D-1.
  • Sun is placed in even Navamsha (Virgo/Capricorn) and Mars in odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) with mutual aspect in D-1.
  • Moon is placed in Ascendant in an odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) aspected by Mars from an even Navamsha (Virgo/Capricorn).
  • Moon is placed in even Navamsha (Virgo/Capricorn) and Mercury is placed in odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) aspect by Mars.
  • When Venus, Ascendant and Moon are all placed in odd Navamsha (Gemini/Aquarius) indicate the possibility of birth of transgender or eunuch.
  • The 5th house from Ascendant, Moon and Jupiter conjoined or aspected by malefic planets, surrounded by malefic or their Lords are posited in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses then no children is indicated.
  • The 12th house occupied by the lords of the 2nd, 4th, 8th houses and aspected by malefic.
  • Mars occupying own Navamsha and in D-1 chart Mercury as Lord of 5th house is conjoined with malefic planet.
  • Saturn aspected by Moon in the 5th house and Lord of the 5th house conjoined with Rahu.
  • Sun posited in the 5th house in a barren sign, Saturn in 8th house and Mars in Ascendant.
  • The 4th Lord in 8th house and Ascendant Lord and 5th Lord placed in 6th house and 6th and 10th Lords occupy the Ascendant.
  • Jupiter placed in Leo, 5th Lord conjoined with Sun and malefics occupying the Ascendant and the 5th
  • Sun placed in 8th house, Saturn in 5th house and 5th Lord conjoined with Rahu.

Adoption of a child:

  • The 5th house falls in Gemini, Virgo, Capricorn or Aquarius and has association or aspect of Saturn or Mandi.
  • The 5th Lord is weak and has no connection with Ascendant Lord and 7th
  • The 9th House is afflicted by Saturn with Mandi and Ascendant Lord badly disposed to 9th house and it’s Lord.
  • Lord of the 5th house is in a sign of Saturn in Navamsha and is in conjunction with Mercury and Saturn.
  • The 5th house from Jupiter in the AshtakaVarga of Jupiter contains more benefics points contributed by planets occupying the signs of Saturn either in Rashi or Navamsha.
  • The Moon is placed in 5th house either in Rasi or Navamsha in a sign owned by Saturn and is associated with planets other than Saturn.
  • If the Lord of 5th house is in Saturn’s sign in Navamsha and Jupiter and Saturn are in their own sign then a son is born after adoption.

 

Karko (significator) Bhavnashay 

In general, a significator of a particular house if present in this house it spoils the significations it represents

  • The karaka (significator) for children (Jupiter) should be placed in the Lagna of the particular divisional chart for the blemish to take effect. Example: Jupiter placed in 5th house in D-1 and in Lagna of D-7 (Saptamsha).

Points from Jaimini Astrology

  • In Jaimini system for children, the Pada of 12th House (Upa-pada) has to be considered, and the 5th and 9th houses from him should be analyzed. (Upa-pada is the Arudha of 12th house).
  • If anyone among Jupiter, Rahu and Sun are placed in the 5th or 9th houses from Upa-pada children can be predicted.
  • For Vrishchika (Scorpio) Lagna Rahu is Bahu Putra karka1 but if Rahu is conjoined with Venus in 5th house and Moon is placed in the 8th house then the native may be childless.
  • If Moon is posited in 5th or 9th houses from Upa-pada it gives only one male child (Ek-putra yoga).
  • If Venus+Mercury+Saturn+Mars are posited in 5th or 9th houses from Upa-pada the native will have no male child (Anapathya).

Analysis though Astaka Varga: Jupiter BAV (Bhinna AshtakaVarga)

  • Any planet with 4 points in BAV has average strength.
  • Any planet that has above 5 points in BAV is very strong.
  • In Jupiter BAV the 5th and 9th houses from him should be examined. Check how many points are there in these two places, if there are more than 5 points the native will definitely have children.

Number of Children

  • Take the 5th and 9th houses from Jupiter in Jupiter’s BAV.
  • Let’s say that 5th house has 4 points and 9th house has 4 points too.

          The points contributed by the following planets must be excluded:

  1. Jupiter’s enemy planets;
  2. 5th Lord’s enemy planets;
  3. Planets in debilitation;
  4. Planets placed in enemy house;
  5. Planets owning the debilitation sign of Jupiter and 5th Lord;
  6. Points contributed by Saturn (Since Saturn owns Capricorn, the debilitation sign of Jupiter).
  • The remaining count indicates the number of children.

 

Timing Child Birth

Transit – Both parents chart should be considered

  • Jupiter and Saturn double transit aspect should be there.
  • Saturn should aspect 5th House or its Lord; 9th house or its Lord either in direct or retrograde motion2.
  • Jupiter should aspect 5th house or its Lord; 9th house or its Lord either in direct or retrograde motion2.
  • Mars should aspect 5th house or its Lord; 9th house or its Lord either in direct or retrograde motion within 75 days of the child birth.
  • Sun should aspect one of the above four point within a month of the child birth.
  • Moon should aspect one of the above points within 72 Hours of the child birth.

Dasa and Antar dasa

  • Dasha of the Lagna or Lagna Lord, 5th house or 5th Lord, 9th house or 9th
  • Dasha/Antar dasha of 2nd, 5th or 11th
  • Dasha/Antar dasha of Lagna Lord in the Saptamsha chart.

[1] As per Jaimini method though Sun and Rahu are natural malefic planets, but for the purpose of children they are considered as Bahu Putra Karakas “Ravi Rahu Gurubhi Bahuputraha” (Bahu means more than two, Putra denotes children (son) and Karaka is significator).

{2} Aspects of retrograde planets should also be evaluated as if they are placed in the previous house.

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Categories: Astrology, Bhava, Child Birth, Children, Jaimini Astrology, Jupiter, Navamsa, Parashari Astrology, Planetary Combinations, Timings, Transit, Vedic Astrology

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